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Pantli 90: *· fourth Þ ipan-nahui - [[User:Piolinfax\|Piolinfax]] 04:30, 7 Apr 2004 (UTC) ----------- :Niltze, Glenn! It's great to see someone so interested in all this stuff. I'll try to answer you according to my (limited) knowledge. > [...] have the Nahuatl language a glyph or word for zero? I have only been able to find one address - Before this address, I had the impression that Nahuatl language did not have a zero. Is this Nahuatl zero "wrong"?: izcalli(Izcalli, the Nahuatl word for "House of re-awakening").org: Numbers Quote: "...[Nahuatl: - maybe Coh too?:] Koh - Zero..." :I had the same impression as you (no "zero" in Aztec times in Aztec places) and actually I think we both are right on that notion. Remember that Nahuatl is a living language and they <u>must</u> have a word (and, consequently, the concept) for zero <u>now</u> but, as far as my knowledge reaches, I have never heard anything about classic Aztec/Toltec/Chichimec zeroes. "Koh" (or, as you rightly guess, "coh") might be a "new" word... or an old one (meaning sth. like, for example, "nothing" or "empty" or etc...) with a new meaning attached for the purpose. Anyway, I don't really know; that is just my guess. Mayas surely had the concept of "zero" (which is a really wonderful achievement, a quantum leap in thought patterns, though the use of the concept was sort of different from the use of it in India) but Mayas an Aztecs were two really different peoples speaking two very different languages (Nahuatl and Yucatec/Lacandón/Chol are not related languages at all). > Do Nahuatl language not use a "bar" for the number five 5 - I have only been able to find use of "dots" up till nine 9? Mayan language do use a "bar" for five 5. : I don't know if those flaglike glyphs in [http://www.geocities.com/a1ma_mia/images/MEX/] and [http://www.indianer-welt.de/meso/aztek/aztek-schrift.htm] are a modern creation meaning "5" or they are classical representations of the number. It is the first time I see them, but I wouldn't be surprised if they were classical. Nowadays Nahuatl people use our numerical notation (0, 1, 2, 3,...) but I wouldn't be surprised if, in the future, they devised a new alphabet/syllabary for the language. I know that the idea exists and some designs have been created though they are not used (yet). Numbers might follow suit or the system of dots, flags and feathers would be adopted. > Is it possible that you or someone else, can or have taken pictures of Nahuatl glyphs (for example of the numbers), that they are willing to give to Wikipedia under the GFDL (GNU Free Documentation License)? : I don't have any of that material under the GFDL. Anyway, I guess that some images of codices and Pre-Columbian iconography and art should be placed in public domain sites. I mean, they belong to mankind, don't they? Anyway, I'll see if any of my acquaintances owns or has access to such materials. :About the Aztec glyphs: remember that Aztecs, unlike Mayas, seemingly hadn't a developed writing system (not a thoroughly logographic, syllabic, alphabetic or mixed one, I mean; according to scholars, most of their glyphs/pictures are just regarded as ''aide-memoires'' and seldom represented language; ''i.e.'': a kind of worldless comic strips). : Thanx for the linx, Glenn. They're gr8! - [[User:Piolinfax\|Piolinfax]] 00:59, 10 Apr 2004 (UTC)

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